No one’s illegal on stolen land

No one’s illegal on stolen land examines the justification of disobeying immigration laws based on some supposed illogical premise.

Reaction to this AmericanThinker.com article, excerpts below. https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2025/06/no_one_s_illegal_on_stolen_land_and_other_nonsense_shouted_between_acts_of_arson.html

But do these mental giants realize that, at some point in time, every piece of land on earth was taken from someone, somewhere, somehow?

 

But that only proves the point: this isn’t about justice—it’s about narrative control. History is selectively edited to fit a chant, a hashtag, or a Soros-funded placard that arrived fresher than the protesters did.

 

They came because the American system—for all its imperfections—offers opportunity, safety, and structure: things in short supply in the very countries these activists now romanticize.

 

The left’s narrative, predictably, is that this entire episode is Trump’s fault—because how dare the president enforce the law.

 

Enforcement of our nation’s laws is a constitutional duty of the presidency.
Article II, Section 3 of the Constitution mandates that the president “shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed.”

 

It is not contingent on whether state officials approve. It is not contingent on how much those violating the law throw rocks or torch motor vehicles. It is an affirmative obligation—embedded at the core of presidential responsibility.

What we are seeing in the Los Angeles riots is the thinking of these illegal aliens. I would note that while this is difficult to discern in a lot of ways, the bottom line is that they think that they have a right to be in the United States and to work and be better off economically. That right is a “human right” in their arguments, because they do not have a United States Constitutional right to that.

Where did these people come from?

You understand problems but asking questions, investigating. Meditating on the why, and the motivating factors that cause us problems.

So where did the illegal alien come from? I would seriously doubt that there is a single illegal alien from Dubai. That is because in Dubai they have a much higher standard of living than the United States. I would think that there are Americans trying to get into Dubai in any capacity that they can because they would be better off economically.

But if the majority of Los Angeles is Mexican illegals (and it is not, it is a mixing pot of Southeast Asia and many places), but for a moment, let’s think they are all Mexicans. The rioters seem to be waving the Mexican flag a lot in the riots.

These rioters are brave and bold people who want economic good, economic and financial benefits that living and working in the United States provides. Great. I do not condemn anybody that tries to live better, especially if they are providing for their family. But why didn’t they do all this commotion in the country that they came from in order to make it a blessed and prosperous country for their own economic wellbeing? In Mexico, the cartels run things. The cartels can shut down highways and cities when they want to do so. So that is the point. These Los Angeles rioters are bold and brave IN THE UNITED STATES and against Trump.

But what is Trump doing?

He sent ICE immigration federal officials to deport people who are aliens with deportation orders. They went through the process and the process conclusion was that they had to leave. They won’t so the federal authorities take it upon themselves (at great risk to life and limb) to deport them. That is where all of this started.

Moreover, since these aliens will not leave officially and under their own will, Trump is removing them. That is the president’s job. He is supposed to fulfill or execute the lands of the land.

Gavin Newsome is the governor of California, largely a state with many illegal aliens which we wonder how many are illegally voting in our elections. But Newsome has the obligation of his office to fulfill the laws of the United States and especially the Constitution. Governors are given executive powers to “keep the peace.” California is a place renown for its riots, i.e. not keeping the peace.

If the governor does not fulfill his duties because he cannot or he does not have the will power to use the forces under his executive authority, then the President of the United States has the ability to incede. Yea, this is not an option, this is the President’s obligation to “keep the peace.”

Yet the Democrats are making this a political thing, a club to beat Trump with. Why do people not call them out for this? Worse, why don’t politicians call them out for this, even Democrats? Keeping the peace is at odds with their way of doing things. That is apparent as they continue to use disruptions of the peace as their weapon when nothing else works.

Position and posture of California government officials?

Very simply, to ignore the law, the due process of people falling under the condemnation of the laws they broke or refuse to obey is their position. Not only are they ignoring the law, they are frustrating the enforcement of the law under a president that is fulfilling the immigrations laws set by Congress. Note that Democrats had an equal part in making those laws, and going back to Obama and Bill Clinton, they both deported aliens. They spoke boldly about the absolute need for that.

Where is the California Democrat party support for the duly sanctioned duty of ICE to deport these people? California (again the Democrats in total control over there) have made it illegal and prohibited for California law enforcement (state or city) to cooperate with ICE. This is not a yesterday thing, this goes back for years. That is the point of being a sanctuary city or state. The point is to disobey the correctly legislated laws of Congress. The President of the United States does not make any of these laws. He only obeys what laws Congress, representing “we the people,” have made as the laws of the land.

Do Illegal Aliens Obey the Laws of our Country?

We can only see that they only obey what they have to obey in order to get financial gain and stay out of jail. Even that point has been lost in the riots. They obey laws of the workplace when they have to do so. But every other law of the United States like paying taxes and immigration, they only do what they have to do, and they try to circumvent those laws. Why doesn’t the Spanish Los Angeles community help ICE and report the whereabouts of people marked for deporting? Because they do not obey the laws. Even immigrants that are now citizens do not obey the immigration laws, because they help illegals. That is the entire party platform of California Democrats.

But we must understand and insist, if entry into the United States is allowed, whether for visiting, tourism, working, permanent residence, or citizenship, all people under any of these reasons always have to obey our laws. If they do not, they have to suffer like any American citizen. In the case of an alien, they could be deported instead of jail, or both.

Is the United States on Stolen Land?

Firstly, who is asking? Who is using this as a justification for disobeying the laws of the land (United States law)? Mexicans! Where did they come from, and did they steal the land that they call their home country? Using the same thinking of these rioters, Mexicans are mostly descendants from Spaniards, people from Spain. Did Cortez pay the natives of Mexico for the lands they took? No. They seized the lands (Mexico) and killed those living there or made them slaves. Morally we can debate as to whether what colonization does is immoral or not, but you cannot do it yourself and then blame somebody else for doing it. That is hypocrisy. So talk about the pot calling the kettle black, utter hypocrisy here.

Secondly, since the beginning of time, people have seized lands, some by force and violence and others by more peaceful methods. But nobody can claim that “their land” belongs or belonged in the beginning to them. In some form, they took claim to it. If we compare the life of a typical African today in Africa to the life of a typical African descendant in America, none would want to return to Africa. So the debate is basically settled by looking at where people are fleeing from and where they want to go.

We live in societies where the transferring of property, like land, is ordered. In other words, there are norms to follow, or it is considered stealing. But basically, once a people takes and civilizes a land, the laws they establish are “the laws of the land.” These should be obeyed, or the force of government will send police or armies to enforce their claims, their territory, and establish their land over their possession.

Beyond pure economic considerations, the government and standards of a country make the economic environment. America is blessed because of our government and standards. It is highly near sighted to think that economic prosperty in America has nothing to do with our system of government and our religion, i.e. Christianity for the most part. They are intrinsicly linked together with the prosperity we enjoy. People from other countries DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE SECRET TO AMERICAN PROSPERITY. Although they do not need to understand it to work and make money, they frustrate our system by being in the country and working. They work and send large parts of their earnings back to their home countries. This depletes the capitalism that provides them with their work and economic gain. They do not understand how this harms us. In the short run, the system can take such blows. But in the long run, our system, the capitalist system will be destroyed if all the capital flees our country. Back in their home countries, nothing changes, and they just keep producting more babies and more people coming into the USA to work. Mexico has a very negative attitude towards the United States counseling them about the economy of Mexico.

Illegals in the United States

When an illegal alien enters illegally into the United States (including those who enter legally and overstay their visas), they have no rights except what rights the laws of the land give them. In the case of the deportations that started the June Los Angeles riots, those aliens had deportation orders against them, mainly for breaking more laws after entering illegally. Some entered legally, claimed asylum, lost their case after due process, and they were ordered to be deported. We cannot pass over the main point of ICE taking these people into custody. But the point is that when a person enters illegally into the country, they are very prone to continue to break the country’s laws.

That being the case, they have no rights, no place, to remain in the United States; they have to leave. If they do not leave, then somebody has to have the guts enough to forcibly remove them. Enter Donald Trump. Donald Trump did not sneak this up on America. He campaigned exactly on doing this. He is fulfilling his campaign promises. Moreover, the American people voted for him while he was campaigning on this point.

If we survey recent past presidents from both parties, some toyed with the idea of removing illegal aliens, but none of them did anything sustantial to accomplish it. Trump is fulfilling his promises which is refreshing and rare in a politician.

Aliens don’t Understand our Legal and Political Structure

What is the point is that aliens do not understand what life in the United States is about. It is not about making money and getting rich. It is not about living in the Spanish section of Los Angeles where things are about the same as they are in any town in Mexico. It is about the entire country and system of America, the political system given to us under the wisdom of our founding fathers in our Constitution and form of government. The majority rules under the rules, and outline structure of our Constitution. We are a Democratic Republic, so a pure majority does not really rule if they want something that breaks our Constitution. We do have ways to change our Constitution, but the founding fathers made it very difficult to do so.

Aliens do/did not have this blessed form of government in their home country, thus their home was undesirable for them, and they left. That is a fact of life. They cannot deny it. This is the crux of the problem in California. When aliens (illegals) do not migrate and naturalize normally under the immigration laws, they do not understand nor want these laws. But these laws of America are what makes America a bountiful and blessed country. The blessing they want, but they don’t want to take the same responsibility to protect and uphold these laws that make it blessed. They themselves see themselves as above the law. We cannot allow this to happen. The legal system has to come to bear against those who do not obey our laws. You cannot have the blessing without upholding the responsibilities those blessings impose on you. Illegal aliens want what is illicit for anybody in America to want. The blessing of living in prosperity without obeying the laws that provide that prosperity. Stealing is an example. Even if they work a job (that nobody wants), they have to abide by our laws, which includes aliens must have immigration permission to work. Few come here illegally and obey that point. Really none do. If they had money from their home country to live years in the United States without working, without getting government federal help, they would probably have just stayed back where they came from instead of coming to America.

The Mindset of a Thief

Thieves are people that want to take gain from other people’s work. Everybody does this in some way, legitimately or illegitimately. You buy a vegetable in a store, you are making gain from the farmer’s work. But in a civilized society, you cannot take that vegetable without paying for it. It is called stealing. It does not matter how hungry you are nor how little or much the farmer had to do to get that vegetable, the matter lies in justice only when both parties are agreed as to how much. One dollar or one hundred dollars, it doesn’t make any difference. The buyer (the taker) has to satisfy the seller (the giver). Anything other than that is stealing. We also condemn false advertising, promising something that the person doesn’t fulfill his commit to uphold.

So our understanding of justice is that need does not overrule law. That is the illegal’s argument, because they have economic need, they break our laws. What person in the world does not have needs? Fulfilling those needs is the point. But even if a thief has a small child back home, when he is caught, he goes to jail, and he is separated from his child. In some cases, the goverment takes custody of the child, and the thief loses his children. That happens to Americans who go astray of the law in America. Why do we cry for aliens when they are “separated from their families.” They made a decision to risk the welfare of their family by entering the United States. If their actions cause them to go to jail, would anything be different if their wrong decisions (breaking the law of their home country) caused them to go to jail there? Wouldn’t they suffer the same? Yes they would.

Misunderstanding the Status of Asylees

Asylum cases are people who come to the door of our country and ask permission to enter, and that permission is granted while their situation is examined. While they are “in limbo“, neither rejected nor accepted, but under investigation, the receiving country places obligations on these people. While in limbo and afterward, they cannot conduct themselves in certain ways. Stealing, murder, drug use, gang activities, destruction of other people’s property, wife beating, child molestation, even prostitution or homosexual activity is prohibited while in limbo, and most of those are also prosecuted as breaking the law. Breaking the law means that the person suffers in some way, monetary judgments or prison time. For aliens, they can be immediately and summarily deported, meaning that their application for entry is denied immediately no matter how close it is to being accepted or denied. Even activity in Communist party activities is considered a “deal breaker” for entry.

One of the prohibited conducts is public mayhem, destruction, i.e. rioting. Why are these aliens, be they naturalized or not, even allowed to do this? Did the Democrats not “teach America” that insurrection is a criminal act, and they imprisoned many over the January 6 “peaceful march?” On January 6, there was no burning of cars, no rocks nor anything thrown, and yet they spent years in jail.

Justice is applying the same laws the same ways to everybody equally. Where is justice with these riots in L.A.? The riots are in Democrat California, and the Democrats went fully loaded against the January 6 marchers, yet they are silent and immoble on the rioters in California. Is that justice? And Gavin Newsome wants to be president and apply what they do in California to the entire country? What crazy person would accept this?

But the mindset of a criminal is to use anything and twist it around for him to have his way. This is exactly what we are seeing.

No one’s illegal on stolen land

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Note: An illegal alien refers to anybody who enters or is within a country without the proper immigration permission for them to be there, or to be doing what they were given permission to enter to do.